Windows 11

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:50 pm

Pablo;

As a developer are you given a copy of OS to test your software?

I cannot wait to see WWB on Windows 11

Z

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Just watched the release event and I agree with you zinc. I would suggest that it would be a good idea having a temporary subject in the forum that members that installing the Windows 11 can post issues and benefits... ??

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:36 pm

Notable point is this:

The system requirements state a 64-bit processor is required, but this doesn't mean 32-bit apps aren't supported. Windows 11 is still capable of running 32-bit apps, but the operating system itself will not run on 32-bit processors.

Personally I do not see WWB having ANY issues on 11 but it is a new beast after all...

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:56 pm

So what does it have? Why are you eager for it?

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:13 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:56 pm So what does it have? Why are you eager for it?

Hi jerryco... I'm not "zinc" but love to give you 2 reasons
1: Cleaned up and optimized/lighter = Faster
2: Support for Android apps / Microsoft store

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:15 pm

What makes my day is the WIndows 10 feature of the recent file list in the Explorer window when opened up. Also, I like just typing in the app name on the search bar on the taskbar.

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:22 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:15 pm What makes my day is the WIndows 10 feature of the recent file list in the Explorer window when opened up. Also, I like just typing in the app name on the search bar on the taskbar.

Also good reasons...

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:27 pm

Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:13 pm
jerryco wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:56 pm So what does it have? Why are you eager for it?
Hi jerryco... I'm not "zinc" but love to give you 2 reasons
1: Cleaned up and optimized/lighter = Faster
2: Support for Android apps / Microsoft store

Well said my friend!

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:19 pm

zinc wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:27 pm
Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:13 pm
jerryco wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:56 pm So what does it have? Why are you eager for it?
Hi jerryco... I'm not "zinc" but love to give you 2 reasons
1: Cleaned up and optimized/lighter = Faster
2: Support for Android apps / Microsoft store
Well said my friend!

Got disappointed!!!

Got this result when testing my main workstation that I use WWB16 in:
"This PC will not run Windows 11
Your PC did not meet the needed requirements. You can continue to get Windows 10 updates5 6, or you can shop for a new Windows 10 PC that does meet the requirements.4"
I have a good pc, quite new 3.4 ghz, 32 gb ram, 4 cores... And I don't get the reason why it not works??!!

You can download the WindowsPCHealthcheckup app here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows ... ealthcheck

ColinM · Post by **ColinM** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:54 am

Same here - thanks for that link Bluesman - downloaded, installed and checked - received the "This PC v=can't run Windows 11" but doesn't give any details why. It's a 64 bit base with an AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G 3.10 processor with 8GB installed RAM.

Good thread Zinc!

Edit - Would appear that the main culprit is the absence of a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard. Quick research says these may be able to be added depending on your mother board. Not all have a TPM chip slot.

Open a DOS window, type in tpm and check results.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:42 am

ColinM wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:54 am Same here - thanks for that link Bluesman - downloaded, installed and checked - received the "This PC v=can't run Windows 11" but doesn't give any details why. It's a 64 bit base with an AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G 3.10 processor with 8GB installed RAM.

Good thread Zinc!

Edit - Would appear that the main culprit is the absence of a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard. Quick research says these may be able to be added depending on your mother board. Not all have a TPM chip slot.

Open a DOS window, type in tpm and check results.

Indeed Collin - The Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard - but depending on your motherboard, you can buy these from Amazon... But see this:

https://www.onmsft.com/news/windows-11- ... under-fire

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:55 am

Sounds like a cheap PR tactic, now the whole world is complaining that they "can't get" a version that wasn't supposed to exist at all.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:33 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:55 am Sounds like a cheap PR tactic, now the whole world is complaining that they "can't get" a version that wasn't supposed to exist at all.

They did the same with Windows 10!

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:40 pm

My advice is just get a new computer when Windows support stops. Preferably, a laptop. I don't understand why people go for a tower PC these days with a seperate monitor. Unless you have a lot of typing to do ofcoarse. A laptop (I'm using an Asus VivoBook) uses, if I read the specs right, 45 Watts. A tower PC can be 400 Watts not including the monitor!

Same power saving remark goes for gaming... we have consoles that have everything in one and they will always support games made for that console. Also a power saver!

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:49 pm

ColinM wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:54 am Same here - thanks for that link Bluesman - downloaded, installed and checked - received the "This PC v=can't run Windows 11" but doesn't give any details why. It's a 64 bit base with an AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G 3.10 processor with 8GB installed RAM.

Good thread Zinc!

Edit - Would appear that the main culprit is the absence of a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard. Quick research says these may be able to be added depending on your mother board. Not all have a TPM chip slot.

Open a DOS window, type in tpm and check results.

De nada... Colin

Did some Googlin' and surfin' now in the morning and seams the internet start storming. Also looks like there maybe will be some updates from windows that "maybe" will loosen up some...

As "zinc" wrote... there will be some other ways (buying) or updating the motherboard...
I will definitely not buy a new pc. Rather dance around in Windows 10 limbo for some years more

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:15 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:40 pm My advice is just get a new computer when Windows support stops. Preferably, a laptop. I don't understand why people go for a tower PC these days with a seperate monitor. Unless you have a lot of typing to do ofcoarse. A laptop (I'm using an Asus VivoBook) uses, if I read the specs right, 45 Watts. A tower PC can be 400 Watts not including the monitor!

Same power saving remark goes for gaming... we have consoles that have everything in one and they will always support games made for that console. Also a power saver!

I use the tower and 27 inch monitor for my web and print work and actually don't own a laptop. I am increasing the monitor to a 32 inch. So a laptop for is useless.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:15 pm

Bluesman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:49 pm
ColinM wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:54 am Same here - thanks for that link Bluesman - downloaded, installed and checked - received the "This PC v=can't run Windows 11" but doesn't give any details why. It's a 64 bit base with an AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G 3.10 processor with 8GB installed RAM.

Good thread Zinc!

Edit - Would appear that the main culprit is the absence of a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard. Quick research says these may be able to be added depending on your mother board. Not all have a TPM chip slot.

Open a DOS window, type in tpm and check results.
De nada... Colin Did some Googlin' and surfin' now in the morning and seams the internet start storming. Also looks like there maybe will be some updates from windows that "maybe" will loosen up some...
As "zinc" wrote... there will be some other ways (buying) or updating the motherboard...
I will definitely not buy a new pc. Rather dance around in Windows 10 limbo for some years more

Fair points. I will be buying a new machine in 2022. For now Windows 10 it is I am afraid...

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:45 pm

zinc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:15 pm I use the tower and 27 inch monitor for my web and print work and actually don't own a laptop. I am increasing the monitor to a 32 inch. So a laptop for is useless.

Why not get three 65 inch screens? And a Dual Tower system with Triple RAID redundancy? Or get the replica of the Milennium Wheel in your parking space backyard?

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:53 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:45 pm
zinc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:15 pm I use the tower and 27 inch monitor for my web and print work and actually don't own a laptop. I am increasing the monitor to a 32 inch. So a laptop for is useless.
Why not get three 65 inch screens? And a Dual Tower system with Triple RAID redundancy? Or get the replica of the Milennium Wheel in your parking space backyard?

Now you are talking!!!!

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:54 pm

Well, as long as it runs WP5.1

alan_sh · Post by **alan_sh** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:57 pm

My WWB PC and laptop both have a TPM module (v2) so they are OK.

I have two others that I use as test beds - no TPM, so they won't be test beds much longer. Which is a shame because they are OK PCs.

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:18 pm

Hi guys... after a days struggeling updating the bios on Gigabyte G1.SNIPER B7 and activating the tpm 2.0 and secure boot, still don't accept for Windows 11 update?? Anyone have a clue?

ColinM · Post by **ColinM** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:11 pm

zinc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:42 am Indeed Collin - The Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip in the motherboard - but depending on your motherboard, you can buy these from Amazon... But see this:
https://www.onmsft.com/news/windows-11- ... under-fire

Thanks Zinc - let's hope MS get their proverbial organised.

jerryco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:40 pm I don't understand why people go for a tower PC these days with a seperate monitor. Unless you have a lot of typing to do ofcoarse. A laptop (I'm using an Asus VivoBook) uses, if I read the specs right, 45 Watts. A tower PC can be 400 Watts not including the monitor!

Same power saving remark goes for gaming... we have consoles that have everything in one and they will always support games made for that console. Also a power saver!

Jerryco - One of the reasons is the ability to have a 1920 (or larger) pair of or even three monitors.

Bluesman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:49 pm Did some Googlin' and surfin' now in the morning and seams the internet start storming. Also looks like there maybe will be some updates from windows that "maybe" will loosen up some...
As "zinc" wrote... there will be some other ways (buying) or updating the motherboard...
I will definitely not buy a new pc. Rather dance around in Windows 10 limbo for some years more

Yes, agreed on all of that.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:47 am

Bluesman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:18 pm Hi guys... after a days struggeling updating the bios on Gigabyte G1.SNIPER B7 and activating the tpm 2.0 and secure boot, still don't accept for Windows 11 update?? Anyone have a clue?

Hey Bluesman;

See this. It might help....

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comm ... _cant_run/

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:25 am

zinc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:47 am
Bluesman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:18 pm Hi guys... after a days struggeling updating the bios on Gigabyte G1.SNIPER B7 and activating the tpm 2.0 and secure boot, still don't accept for Windows 11 update?? Anyone have a clue?
Hey Bluesman;

See this. It might help....

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comm ... _cant_run/

Tnx for sharing "zinc". Spread both some light and some wonders

I did some of the tweaks earlier but shall try again, because it looks like Microsoft is updating the health control app and the minimum restr...??? Looks like they were not prepared for anything that would come:?

BaconFries · Post by **BaconFries** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:40 pm

Some helpful reading. Processor requirements
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... quirements

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:02 pm

BaconFries wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:40 pm Some helpful reading. Processor requirements
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... quirements

Thnx for the link Bacon, shade some light over my problem

BaconFries · Post by **BaconFries** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:07 pm

Welcome

BaconFries · Post by **BaconFries** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:40 am

More news about requirements Windows 11 whether you want it or not..

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/sc ... oft-OS/amp

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:02 am

So glad 10 still exists. For those who not read the link: Windows 11 will at some point require a webcam and internet connection.

Should we make reports about our daily activities and how they are compliant in Windows 12?

BaconFries · Post by **BaconFries** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:19 am

Starting to look like George Orwell's 1984

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:24 am

Well, it raises the question, how virtual do we need to be?

My motto somewhat related to this is:

Live where you were born, and work where you live.

Should cut travel in half I'm guessing and prevents a lot of internet time talking to friends from the past.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:17 am

BaconFries wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:40 am More news about requirements Windows 11 whether you want it or not..

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/sc ... oft-OS/amp

Hey BF - I would take anything from Daily Express with a not a pinch but spoon of salt!

andyp · Post by **andyp** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:39 am

I still have one pc in the family running on XP

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36 pm

Seams the CPU is the biggest problem for not be able to install Windows 11. See this video and download the link to the check tool they provide in this Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsRls3X6rA
I don't provide the download link here because is good you look the video and get some important info about the download.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 am

Bluesman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36 pm Seams the CPU is the biggest problem for not be able to install Windows 11. See this video and download the link to the check tool they provide in this Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsRls3X6rA
I don't provide the download link here because is good you look the video and get some important info about the download.

It's not a bad thing. It's just early days...

WWB was developed with VC++ which means it will not have any issues with Windows 11 and if it does, Pablo will apply his magic!

https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-han ... 41175.html

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:56 pm

zinc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 am
Bluesman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36 pm Seams the CPU is the biggest problem for not be able to install Windows 11. See this video and download the link to the check tool they provide in this Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsRls3X6rA
I don't provide the download link here because is good you look the video and get some important info about the download.
It's not a bad thing. It's just early days...

WWB was developed with VC++ which means it will not have any issues with Windows 11 and if it does, Pablo will apply his magic!

https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-han ... 41175.html

Agree zink

Anyway it's fun with a new OS, there are some small goodies, but WWB is most important and sure Microsoft going to update their list of CPU:s

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm

Now worked with WWB 16 on Windows 11 for 2 days... so far so good

Windows 11 is really a nice experience.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:06 pm

Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm Now worked with WWB 16 on Windows 11 for 2 days... so far so good
Windows 11 is really a nice experience.

Nice one!

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:25 pm

zinc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:06 pm
Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm Now worked with WWB 16 on Windows 11 for 2 days... so far so good
Windows 11 is really a nice experience.
Nice one!

Yes... love it so far and discovering all the time. The feeling without any benchmarks is smoother and faster...

crispy68 · Post by **crispy68** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:43 pm

That's all good and all... BUT can you play minesweeper?

MGD4me · Post by **MGD4me** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:05 pm

And... can she bake a cherry pie, Billy-boy, Billy-boy?

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:30 pm

No... but it reads my mind

ColinM · Post by **ColinM** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:33 pm

Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:30 pm No... but it reads my mind

In that case I don't need Windows 11 - My wife already does that.

Bluesman · Post by **Bluesman** » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:57 pm

ColinM wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:33 pm
Bluesman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:30 pm No... but it reads my mind
In that case I don't need Windows 11 - My wife already does that.

Ha ha.... my wife "think" she does...

GrahamW · Post by **GrahamW** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:18 am

Just a quick update on this. Im testing WB16 on Windows 11 64bit and so far its working all ok.

The only issue I have come across was in the installation it overwrote my Microsoft C++ 2015-2019 with the Microsoft C++ 2015 version and my Office 2019 Pro plus volume licence version had to be re installed again followed by Microsoft C++ 2015-2019

Overall its great and very fast compared to Win 10

I will bring any other updates as necessary or if anyone has a feature they want me to test for them let me know.

Graham

ColinM · Post by **ColinM** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:42 am

Good to know Graham - thanks for the update.

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:39 pm

GrahamW wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:18 am Just a quick update on this. Im testing WB16 on Windows 11 64bit and so far its working all ok.

The only issue I have come across was in the installation it overwrote my Microsoft C++ 2015-2019 with the Microsoft C++ 2015 version and my Office 2019 Pro plus volume licence version had to be re installed again followed by Microsoft C++ 2015-2019

Overall its great and very fast compared to Win 10

I will bring any other updates as necessary or if anyone has a feature they want me to test for them let me know.

Graham

Nice one Graham. This weekend I will be having a bash at 11 - If I get a chance.

jerryco · Post by **jerryco** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:08 pm

Are you sure it will run on only 128GB of RAM Zinc?

zinc · Post by **zinc** » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:22 pm

jerryco wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:08 pm Are you sure it will run on only 128GB of RAM Zinc?

128???? That's plenty!!!!